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Can't purchase phone because of non-Dutch identification papers

  • November 21, 2024
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Hi,

I have been a trusted customer for 6 and a half years, using you as provider for both my home WiFi and phone. 

As my current phone is currently at its last days, I have decided to make use of the Black Friday discount and get a Phone + subscription through KPN. I opted for the iPhone 16 and your representative at the store (that has been very nice and helpful) gave me the expenses breakthrough. 

Once he realized I already had Kpn as phone provider he told me I had the rights to extra benefits which would allow me to make a much lower down payment on the first invoice and raise the monthly payment a little. I was happy to hear and proceeded with the order. 

The store employee was completing the process and got a notification on his screen informing him that Kpn was going to perform a data check on me. He was confused when this popped up and went to ask for further info to another colleague in the back, he then reassured me it was just a formality and everything would work just fine. 

After receiving the contract confirms via email, I got another email saying that my order was refused due to “not meeting the internal conditions”. I then had to call KPn, be transferred several times and all the employees were tip toeing around the issue. Someone finally confirmed to me that the issue was related to the fact that I presented a non-Dutch document, thus was not allowed a loan of more than 500 euro from KPN. 
 

Please explain to me:

  • how is this not considered discrimination? I also had to pay 35 euros to the gemente for an official document stating I’ve been registered here for the past 7 years only because your company “needed it”; 
  • If this is not shady behavior, how is this not indicated anywhere on your website?
  • Why are your employees never trained properly? I would expect your store employee to let me know that if I’m not Dutch or I don’t have a Dutch ID I was not “allowed” to pursue this contract because Kpn treats expats differently. 
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i have a scheduled call to submit an official complaint through your system and will check with my legal rep. but this behavior is very shady. With the amount of money I gave you for the past 7 and a half years I most likely bought more than 2 iPhones. 
 

Beste antwoord door Marcia van KPN

Hi ​@MartinaP  welcome! I’m sorry to hear you’re encountering this issue. We’ve had this question before, so I’m sharing the previously provided response here:

This acceptance policy is in line with legal rulings. In this context, we’d like to point out a decision by the College voor de Rechten van de Mens dated May 16, 2022. The acceptance policy allows for a distinction to be made if there is a very good reason for it, referred to as an 'objective justification.' The Institute explained that the provider faces a significant risk of giving a mobile phone to a customer who then fails to pay it off. When the customer resides abroad, it becomes very difficult for the provider to recover outstanding payments. Additionally, the Institute concluded that there are no less discriminatory alternatives and that the goal and means are proportionate.

My colleague should have informed you about this. I apologize that this didn’t happen!

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Marcia van KPN
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  • November 26, 2024

Hi ​@MartinaP  welcome! I’m sorry to hear you’re encountering this issue. We’ve had this question before, so I’m sharing the previously provided response here:

This acceptance policy is in line with legal rulings. In this context, we’d like to point out a decision by the College voor de Rechten van de Mens dated May 16, 2022. The acceptance policy allows for a distinction to be made if there is a very good reason for it, referred to as an 'objective justification.' The Institute explained that the provider faces a significant risk of giving a mobile phone to a customer who then fails to pay it off. When the customer resides abroad, it becomes very difficult for the provider to recover outstanding payments. Additionally, the Institute concluded that there are no less discriminatory alternatives and that the goal and means are proportionate.

My colleague should have informed you about this. I apologize that this didn’t happen!


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  • November 26, 2024

Hi Marcia,

I appreciate the time taken to reply. However, I would understand if I had not been residing in the Netherlands but I’ve been registered in the Netherlands since 2018. I have also been required to show you a proof, which I requested to the Gementee and paid above 35 Euros. 
 

I’ve been your customer for the past 7 years and the fact that I don’t have a Dutch document does not prove in any circumstances that I’m not residing here. I could very happily have a Dutch issued driving license and move somewhere else. Thus, I’m even more confused by the legal explanation I’m being given. 
 

Regarding the employees training, I do agree this should have been discussed with me at the moment of purchasing and that the training should be way better. That would have avoided me coming back to the store 3 days in a row on a very tight schedule (taking my lunch break to do so) to then just receive a one way contractual revoking by your side. Moreover, every time I call your Cs I always receive different answers on the same question based on the person I’m speaking to. 
 

looking forward to your reply.

Best, 

Martina 

 


Marcia van KPN
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I understand what you're saying, but unfortunately, these are the rules we must follow. It's very unfortunate that you keep getting different answers from customer service: they have access to the same information that I do. You could choose to make a higher payment for your mobile phone, so the ‘toestelkrediet’ (your monthly payment) becomes lower.